Wednesday, November 21, 2007

The Chazon Ish brain surgery, Rav Charlop and his "telekenisis" and other fantastic tales of bizui haTorah

I recently met a very intelligent fellow who told over two very fantastic "stories" regarding gedolim and seemingly miraculous events. This gent proceeded to question the rational philosophy espoused by my yeshiva based on these two fantastic stories.I had heard the first story many years ago and it remains unverified and without a source to this day. Recently I was informed ( although I have yet to see it myself) that this story is included in the biography of the Chazon Ish ( Harav Avrohom Yishaya Karelitz) which was published by a very prominent religious publishing house. The second story was new to me and I have been unable to find it anywhere. Again it is unverified and unsourced. I am writing this not in response to the stories themselves but rather as a reaction to the way people view these stories . I would like to preface by saying that this is in no way an attack on the individual who told me these stories. Indeed he was doing nothing less than seeking the truth and he should be commended for it.This is however, a response to the method of thinking that these stories are used to support.













(I will present the stories as I have heard them, If there are sources and or corrections in the story please make me aware of them.)






Story A- The Chazon Ish- brain surgeon.






The story goes as follows.






There was a patient in Israel who had a large brain tumor that required surgery of a very difficult nature in order to be cured. No surgeons were able to figure out exactly how to execute the surgery.The patient was distraught at the possibility that modern medicine could not save him and he sought guidance from the gaon Rav Avrahom Yeshaya Karelitz , the Chazon Ish. As the story goes the Chazon Ish examined the patient and using his knowledge of mesechet Chullin was able to plot the appropriate method for surgery.






Story B- Rav Charlop and his telekinetic abilities






The second story as told by this individual :






During the first World War Rav Charlop was mithpalel at the kotel. Suddenly he had a vision of Rav Avraham Yitzchak Hacohen Kook learning in London. ( Apparently Rav Kook was residing in England during the hostilities.) Not only did Rav Charlop envision Rav Kook learning but he was also aware of the sugya that he was learning at that very moment. Rav Charlop was purported to have told this to Rav Kook sometime later when they were reunited.











The problem I have with both of these stories is as follows. Let us assume that both stories are real. It is possible that the Chazon Ish was able to devise a way to remove a brain tumor. Rav Karelitz was a tremendous chacham and it is possible that he was aware of brain function and physiology enough to help the medical professionals. Perhaps. It could also be logically argued that the second story was a result of Rav Charlops tremendous understanding of the mind and thoughts or Rav Kook which led him to think of what Rav Kook was learning. Again, it is theoretically possible. My problem is thus: as I said it could be that both of these stories occured in some form, somehow. However, the emphasis and weight that is put into these stories along with the inevitable questioning of rationality that follows is the problem.





When these stories were told to me they were told in order to somehow prove to me that there are magical phenomena at work in the world. Miraculous occurences which somehow should call into question my world view. The purported surgery was a function of the fact that " everything is in the Torah" and so therefore a chacham will know science better than the scientist. ( I am still unclear as to exactly what the Rav Charlop story was supposed to prove).This is my problem. When we allow fantastical stories to creep into our minds and give them as much weight as rational investigation and mesora then we are degrading the very Torah which we claim to adhere to. I dont care one iota whether Rav Charlop knew what Rav Kook was learning or whether the Chazon Ish knew brain surgery. To the adherent of the mesora it is irrelevant.




There is another point that I am always astonished by aside from the sheer irrelevance to the mesora. These stories are nothing less than bizui haTorah and bizui talmidei chachamim. The fact that there are stories being told about chachmei hamesorah and their seemingly magical powers is defining what the mesora and chachamim are to the people who peddle these fables.In short, the mesorah( to those who adhere to these stories) is some magical tradition that allows those who master it to perform miracles and break the rules of science . In fact the mesorah is a rational worldview which accepts cause and effect as real and denies stupidity and foolishness. To imply that the Torah is a magic " realm" is to completly degrade the essence of the Torah. As the verse in Deuteronomy states(Chap.4 verse10)

וּשְׁמַרְתֶּם, וַעֲשִׂיתֶם--כִּי הִוא חָכְמַתְכֶם וּבִינַתְכֶם, לְעֵינֵי הָעַמִּים: אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁמְעוּן, אֵת כָּל-הַחֻקִּים הָאֵלֶּה, וְאָמְרוּ רַק עַם-חָכָם וְנָבוֹן, הַגּוֹי הַגָּדוֹל הַזֶּה
" and you shall guard them to perform them for they are your wisdom and understanding in they eyes of the nations that will hear all of these statutes and declare ' surely a wise and discerning and great nation this is".

The mesora and its masters are not magicians and anyone who implies the opposite should go ask one of them and they will instruct you to examine your actions and return to the system of reality.

10 comments:

Brooklyn Habiru said...

ya mean the BeShT didn't really walk on water?

Ya'akob ibn Avi Mori said...

Haha No not quite, but that reminds me of a funny story that perhaps i will post on the blog about a " rebbi" of mine in middle school. The depths that Jewish education has sunk to...

Mindy Schaper said...

I don't know whether saying this has much constructive value, but since you came across a member of the community which espuses this view- I'm sure you are aware, although I highly doubt that you understand to what extent this world view is permeated in their mindsets, that there is an entire community of people- and a very large, vocal, and vibrant community being raised on this premise of complete and utter respect and adherence to Talmidei Chachamim, to the point of what Matt posted on kankanchadash; "bittul da'as,", self-nullification.

To give it credit where credit is due, it is understandable when concerning matters that human intelligence cannot comprehend, such a chukim, or in less lofty matters, something as down to earth as a child having to trust an adult because of his suprerior widsom and intelligence; likewise, any subodinate in age and wisdom deferring to someone older and wiser. (provided the former comes with the latter: zekan Aharon sheyored al Pi Midosav.) While this respect and "bittul da'as" I believe is proper, I would like to point out that although you treat the illogical and mystical reverential extension of this attitude with derision, and properly so, in your analysis, I would like to, perhaps without much constructive value, perhaps, mention that this attitude is engrained and enmeshed into the minds of young and susceptible children (who become older yet still equally susceptible adults) who -a- don't know better -b- naturally adopt the attitudes those around them preach, and -c- even once they do come to the age where they begin making rational analysis and thinking, they recieve *direct critisism* for using their minds and for seeking to understand what it is that they are being taught. I don't like to be critical- and I musty point out that obviously, as in every society, there are -a- varying levels, and -b- definite exceptions to the rule, but I think it can definitely be noticed that this trend is rampant in certain communities. I must make one further comment, and that is that while I will not deign to make any qualitative comparisons, I would like to say that the way this communtiy works is that it is very tradition based. Children learn from the parents and from teachers, and the focus is more on the action without emphasizing the rationalism behind it. Far be it from me to make evaluations in Torah or Judaism, but from my brief experience in this world and from seeing that many different communities exist within Judaism, I ask: Is it possible that the system of thought and method of transfer of mesora-we do this cause our father did this- is legitimate as the meaning of "Shivim Panim L'Torah", or perhaps within the context of comparing klal Yisrael to a body, with certain parts being the hand and certain parts being the brain?

Ya'akob ibn Avi Mori said...

M-
Sorry it took so long for me to see this comment,

I do not think that the meaning of
"shivim Panim Latorah" is that falsehoods can be accepted as long as the person espousing said lies are titled " Rabbi". If these things are out of the realm of reality then they cannot be Torah.

Mindy 2 said...

A- M= Mindy. Old name.
B- Re your comment: Of course. BUT
C- Having given this area some degree of thought: Ok. So we agree that when stories are being told that are false/unconfirmed, there is a serious problem here. And trust me, I don't like this aura of mysticism surrounding our Gedolim either. HOWEVER, I used to feel this way until I found some Gedolim that I actually liked. Now when I say their name there is a certain level of respect and awe attached. Ie- I am sure this is the level of respect you would have for your Rebbi, Rabbi Israel Chait. Does this mean abandoning your brain and defering all logic and reason when hearing purported acts of greatness? No. Just a side point about respecting Rabbis etc.

NOW- concerning stories. You said:

"These stories are nothing less than bizui haTorah and bizui talmidei chachamim." Having thought about that topic as well, I realized that ever since I was exposed to a certain style of learning in Judaism, quite similar to what I would ventre to say is your own, I have become quite cycnical of lower levels of worship, ie, the one that you describe and mock in that sentence. I completely understand that mode of thought, having subscribed to it myself, however, I have come to realize an inevitable fact of life: Not all people are that smart. Most people that I know that genuinly and sincerely try to be good are very inspired by stories such as these. You have to understand that the masses are not intellectual enough for heady philosophical pilpul, which while bieng the life-breath of some, is suffocating for most. Do I want my kids to be one of the masses, blindly bowing to the seeming perfection of our Gedolim who presumably had to work good and hard to get where they were and not using their own brain to question and explore and reason? NOOOOOOOOOO,and with a mother like me it hopefully won't happen either. But I think we have to accept that most people simply WILL NOT worship God the way we feel is best, and that so long as there aren't blatant slip-ups in the system, we have to be a little more tolerant. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like going on a tirade against small-mindedness, but I have to say from my own personal experiences, IT JUST WON'T WORK. People are not SMART enought to figure it out. There is a lot to write about this, obviously- this is a very mutli-faceted issue in many ways. Feel free, though I don't know how nitty-gritty I am ready to get. Also, don't view this as a personal challange. I thikn blogging is a great way to open up your vistas and to get to the truth. So many dverse opinions give you a lot to think about. Enjoy.

Ya'akob ibn Avi Mori said...

Mindy,
I agree that there are things that at a certain point I take the word of my rebbeim for,but this is second hand knowledge because I know that Rabbi Chait et al are chachamim, how do I know this? I have come to the realization based on my own mind. I would never deny that there are experts and that these chachamim carry a certain weight when they say something, in fact the mitzvah of following chachamim and even imitating them would attest to this.SO again yes chachamim do carry a certain weight with them. On the other hand, if Rabbi Chait ( either of them ) says something that is false, it is false and does not become true because he said it.

2-
I agree that vast parts of the Torah world are not intellectual. This is a sad reality but a reality still.My point is not to make fun of anyone since these are Jews and this is the state we are in. My critique is that number one we use the current state of affairs in Jewish intellectualism to excuse blatant lies and that we repeat this over and over to the extent that it becomes a mantra that " Judaism doesnt have to be of the mind" and it is a never ending cycle. It is one thing to say not all jews are intellectual and not everyone can appreciate TORAH as it should be taught, there is a difference I would say between demanding that the Klal learn the intricate sevaros of a Rav Chaim and demanding that the Klal not be taught falsehoods. I do not count it as a valid argument to say that we are not all intellectual and as such we can accept fantastical stories, it is an insult. Better that everyone is taught basic halacha ( let alone basic Hashkafa) then our mechanchim should waste our time and money spreading wild tales and making the situation worse, ( at which point they will say ' but they cant handle it')
I hope I made at least a little bit of sense I am in a bit of a rush I will reformulate later perhaps in a new post
thanks!

Mindy Schaper said...

No, you made a lot of sense and I agree. Well put.
Thank you.

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Great work.

Ya'akob ibn Avi Mori said...

Thanks Pauline.

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